Hey Goons! You never heard the saying "don't interrupt foes when they make mistakes". You should just shut up and laugh as I waste my money. Why do you want to save me from that?

Probably because you know how titans die: dumbly.

There is surely a CFC titan sitting under a public password or corp access shield.
There is surely a CFC titan pilot who gladly bridge out a small gang of "bros" instead of telling them "no official ping, take gates punks".
There is surely a CFC titan pilot who logs out at the very same safespot every time.
There is surely a CFC titan pilot who accepts a fleet inv from "bros" and then asks "why am I warping to a planet"?
There is surely a CFC titan pilot who jumps to a cyno beacon or a cyno opened by a helpful "bro" because his cyno alt is still in Period Basis.

Saying it ironically doesn't diminish the fact that Mynnna is rich enough to self-destruct a Titan with some T2 BPOs for cargo and still make you look like a small business owner.

Your whole Plutocrat act would be a lot more compelling if you were actually Koch Brothers Rich.

Since Chribba is holding the cash, if they meet the conditions then the titan killer will get the cash even if it is Noir.
But good point if Noir keep losing expensive Pods then they may need additional income to supplement their scam cash.

This "discussion" between Goons and Goblin is so hilarious xD

- You are bad!
- No, you!
- No, you!
- No, you!
- No, you!
- No, you!
...

"Don't forget though, he's already "proven" that everyone else in the game is lying about all of their isk, because they don't pay a joke of a mercenary group a peasant sum of isk for doing what they already do they must obviously be poor. There's no other possible explanation, cos he said so, right? Bow to gobbos superiority."

You wrote this yourself. This looks a whole lot like "Gevlon, you are bad" to me.

"No, I am not just saying he is bad! You are saying I am saying "you are bad"! But you are bad! (Oh, and he also is bad)"

No hard feelings man, I enjoy Goon posts just as much as Goblin posts. Keep up the good work :)

This one needs special attention. A keeper, for sure.

I wasn't originally laughing with Lucas (who subsequently and for some bizarre reason flipped about a non-existent typo) because I found what he said to be amusing.

Why is everyone so touchy?

My GOD LUCAS!!! so tell me how many pedants does it take to change a lightbulb? "don't you mean replace?"

They have lot of "recruiters" who gladly invite you. Just contract them your stuff and pay 500M transport cost.

Which is one of the main points why I consider them evil.

It would be true if Goonwaffe would be just another corp in GSF, doing the same EVE stuff while also talking about their special interests. This case being in Goonwaffe would be irrelevant EVE-wise.

Unfortunately, this is not true. Other CFC members have to click on paplinks and grind structures in bombers while Goons are ratting in Deklein without any performance requirements. It's no wonder that people want to get into Goonwaffe and not into SMA. Why would anyone want to join the slaves when he can be the master? The natural wish of the people to belong to the upper class is the basis of Goon recruitment scamming.

It's not the recruitment scam, but the master-slave setup is evil and being one of the reasons I want them lose a titan here!

I find this despicable because it spreads the view among players that "having friends" and "hanging out" is the source of success, while this form of "success" is by definition unreachable by the majority, as for every noble, there must be dozens of serfs. The recruitment scams are a symptom of this: the ignorant wants to join the nobles (instead of the serfs, there is no SMA or TNT recruitment scam as no one would bite). Of course he can't join because if people could join en masse to Goonwaffe, CFC would collapse as everyone would be ratting and no one would grind structures in bombless bombers.

Yes, there are a few Goons in ops, no doubt. But my killboard analysis says found that an average Goonwaffe member has 40% of the kills of an average RAZOR or average house slave (GSF member non-Goonwaffe). Do you claim the data is incorrect? Then do your own analysis with published raw data like I did.

"Handing over all your stuff" is stupid, but very common in nullsec. Practically everyone in nullsec demands full API key, and once you are there, you stuff is at their mercy, they can lock you out of their stations or awox you at will. So blaming the victims for trusting blindly in the recruiter in a world where everyone has to blindly trust in the recruiter is a bit odd. That being said, I wouldn't do either, hence I didn't apply to N3 for example.

You know that there were blue-kills in the history of EVE, right?

So we can say without doubt that several people abandoned their space-friends for virtual money or even less, a hilarious kill report and some tears to post in the forum.

This "money doesn't matter" is funny coming from members of a coalition that proudly call itself space socialism and has a strong SRP.

Why don't you go to The Mittani and say "hey, spending money on SRP is stupid, as the people who fly in the fleets would fly anyway, you just pay for things that would happen anyway like that stupid Gevlon who pays for highsec wardecs and titan bounty"?

Consider the titan bounty as "awoxer account replacement program" (as they'll need a clean account to shed their awoxer history)!

For one day, his story could be on EN24. People would talk about "hey, have you heard of X who awoxed that Goon titan?" He would leave his mark on EVE, for once he'd be the butterfly.

He thinks about this. He dreams about this. He didn't start EVE to shoot red crosses and to press F1 when told. But - just as you said - the price would be to never ever be accepted into a serious alliance. But today, he could get enough money to buy a clean pilot or just start as a "shobon" again, without the need to ever rat again!

NOTE : While typing 10 more CFC got popped. So much fun

Oh that's a masterpiece. He could not have found a better way to show his lack of reading with comprehension skill. It's a quite an achievement to transform an article saying "less need for violence caused human brain to become smaller, which has no direct impact on intelligence" to



I mean, wtf?!

Its probably because we totally destroyed 2 of your alliances :

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Gentlemen%27s_Agreement/stats

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Li3_Federation/stats

Stats cant be wrong.....or can they

Bombless bombers pretty much won us the fountain war. I'm not sure where Gevlon is going with this.

So he bankrupted himself for literally no reason

Now you are probably wondering which calculation is wrong, yours or mine.

The key is in bombless bombers. The average CFC members are so damn poor (or so inactive or simply an alt) that losing an assault frig every 5 months hurt them.

The #1 losers are of course renters, but it takes a "special" kid to rent from Goons when he could rent from N3 or PL.

Actually, these are really free. Lemmings had the same problem. Since renters are running from PBLRD, they carry their wars over. Hirr also carried its war over.

I have to admit defeat here. I'm powerless to stop CFC members and renters to jump over to N3 with the only purpose to make them wardecced by Marmite.

with how well he moves goal posts, gevlon should sponsor a world cup team. how could they lose with such an advantage?

based on the fact that the fastest way to accumulate isk is to not play eve, what the **** is he talking about?

Can I have your stuff after you leave, crying while reading gevlon posts?

But it's not just goblin, why is grr goons so prevalent? I really have no clue why there are so many tears about the CFC's existence

Hey Beefolk!

You used the propaganda strategy of parroting a bizarre claim "losses do nothing" until the dumb socials accepted it (hey, many accepts that there is no global warming, they are called "dumb socials" for a reason). So I dug up more statistics and found that the current [kills minus losses] are almost as good predictors of future activity as current activity.

In simpler terms: ganked Goonies rage quit like the "pubbie ****".

I wonder if losing a titan would make the player rage quit. Let's find out, shall we!

After reading this whole thread (which is basically the first time I ever heard about Gevlon and his holy crusade) I don't understand why anyone is giving this guy attention. Even the entertainment value wears off quickly because there is so much constant bullshit to read and the blog is even sadder (and a little bit hillarious, but mostly sad) :(

Isn't this like it should be great surprise and huge loss for GSF/CFC with your monday post?

You know what you "hero" didn't say?
He didn't say that my results and conclusion is wrong. You believe that they are wrong, based on what he said. But he didn't say it, since he didn't want to get caught lying. All he said is a bunch of math words you don't understand, with the meaning "his methods weren't prudent enough".

The question is "does being ganked (preferably in a bountied titan) makes a Goonie decrease his PvP activity or will he just laugh, reship and go on like nothing happened".

My conclusion: significant decrease.
His conclusion: Gevlon used wrong confidence interval and his data is noisy and didn't account for logies. And the exam season. And used "then" instead of "than" in the foreword.

As for posting, Gevlon's blogposting might've hit a new low since at this moment not even EN24 is mirroring his blogposts as articles.

Bobmon swapped a promise that he'd never let another Gevlon post go on EN24 in exchange for a PL vouch. Basically even GSF's enemies think Gevlon is such a loon, that they wouldn't let the guy in unless he promised to stop paying Gevlon to mirror the articles. Welp!

don't worry guys gevlon has just discovered that since he can't afford a titan, that means that no non-powerblock can own any supercaps and they should just sell them all

his not being able to afford a titan is part of his plan, you see

It's actually a good idea.

I originally thought that General Lemming was Gevlon's less dense alter-ego who actually understood that just giving minor amounts of money to fund wardecs was nowhere near enough to start the kind of movement Gevlon wanted. It wasn't until recently, when Lemmings exploded, that I thought about it again because he was still calling his donation to Marmite the "GRR Project", I guess it wasn't him after all..

Lemmings had the same advantage as RvB. They got nice kills in cheap ships. Their numbers was their strength. And even if they lost an entire fleet, it was still worth the good fights. You saw it with BAW vs Lemmings. BAW killed many Lemmings, but then they lost a pod and Loki.... BOOM! war report eve again, which motivated more Lemmings to join. It also gave me the option to let anyone with 3M sp etc in. No rules, just kill and have fun. I enjoyed Lemmings, but running two alliances just doesn't work. The rest is as Lucas wrote above.

While I don't agree that GoonWaffe was founded on Hatred I will point out that hazing and bullying are part of goon culture. Goons came from SA and Something Awful is about as ~Animal Farm~ as you can possibly get on an internet forum. It's less that the CFC is a hate alliance and more that they are an invasive culture in eve that happens to jive well with the cold brutality of space.

In terms of moral I think you miss the point. Goons are all about heavy dis-confirmation bias and rationalizations to negate any sense of failure. ie "Didn't want that (thing) anyway." They are conditioned on their home site to shield themselves from any shame or social consequence by conforming to whatever is popular at the time. "Irony" is the bread and butter of "I was just pretending to be X". While some goons can be/are good people the pervasive influence of their culture is intensified by their lunch-table politics and leadership style.

Ultimately you cannot harm or demoralize goons by blowing up their ships. They are preconditioned to be selectively apathetic about any loss on their part that would otherwise be seen as meaningful. If you want to hurt goons then you need to stop giving them attention. Negate their pride with your own selective apathy.

Second., MOA is fully aware of what the Grr project is, and its great, it saves us from having to kill the CFC and goons in high sec so we can concentrate on 0.0

MOA's target's of choice are CFC and goons, we deploy and will go out of our way to kill them, and do everything in our power to disrupt them.

The "taking out the trash" deployments of the goons (3 deployments) against us are a testiment to us doing a good job against a very large and well organized group like the CFC and Goons. It was a dismal failure for the goons since they can really only kill static targets like POCOS and POS towers.

We are the last Bastion left in the north, and take the full brunt of your "forces"

Gevlon, seeing the good work we are doing and knowing that it takes isk to fight the evil scum lords CFC and Goonies, is giving us some isk to help out.

no strings attached... we are a fully independant alliance with no one but us calling the shots...

and no RMT weasalage involved at the comand levels.

Gevlon at least has a vision, and some forward thinking on this matter and the plague of the blue donut. Which is more than I can say for the CFC and Goonie leaders (save Sion Kumitomo from GoonWaffe who is IMO the only one that has a brain in his head and possibly could be the games best hope from the goon side of things)

so..unless you want to "hellcamp" us for maybe 3-4 months... we are not going away, and the isk is 100% being used to fund killing CFC and goonies on the battlefield.

Every day we stand is a victory

We are fighting a vastly larger and more well organized coalition ...so the fact you have not even scratched us yet is a victory.

your attempts of "hellcamps" (total jokes) and multiple "taking out the trash" deployments are pure wins for us..as are the goonie and CFC tears we collect.

your only form of retaliation is blowing up static structures..so kudos for that... we love to see you grind (it clears out all evil indy operations as well so its a double bonus)

CFC and Goons ... Eve's elite static structure grinding force :) blob FTW

You haven't killed us yet, so we MUST be winning

mordus angels is a strong independent alliance that don't need no cfc, except for when they were part of the cfc and were kicked out for being less effective than most altcorps

but they're effective now, honest, if they could just have another bowl of porridge please

edit: my mistake, I read their alliance description and they prefer to refer to themselves as INDPENDENT

to give credit where credit is due this is the one thing you do right and is useful

I'm pointing at the problem that the game-mechanically optimal path is totally unfun, which is bad game desing. I'm fully aware that social people can't play any game (not even a single-player) without chatting about it with their friends.

By the way this is why the 20B on the titan. If titan pilots don't dare to ask "friends" to scout or cyno for them in fear of awoxes, they might stop logging in. Even better, they value their "fun" higher than their titan and still involve "friends" into their movement.

Actually it's "if it can't be quantified, it's irrelevant". As soon as you come up with a reliable fun meter, we can start caring about fun.

Yes - but here two factors give CFC a big advantage. First of them is a large base number pool to replace those who inevitably burn out on POS bashes.

Second advantage is that they can even treat blueballs as "griefing the enemy". As long as the "enemy is crying because we denied them a fight", it's "us doing harm to them" - and therefore, something good.

That Gevlon keeps saying "bombless bombers!" as though they're a terrible idea unto themselves is telling; he literally can't process that the reason they worked is because they denied TEST fun. He doesn't know what fun is, so he can't perceive why they worked. He will keep parroting "bombless bombers!" without realising that the reason he will never win, is wrapped up in the reason we used them.

Idk but gg might had a remarkable status in wow and was at good hope doing the same here in eve. However, i am pretty sure that the only mark he is gonna leave in eve is that of the greatest fool in eve's history.

Idk lucas. I never played world of wonkshaft. On EN24 his articles always started with that gold cap shite. Thought that might have been something remarkable.

In June Marmite killed 273B CFC (all time record), Lemmings killed 20B before they closed and MoA killed 109B.

Totally irrelevant numbers. The GRR project is a total failure. I think I just go to the corner and cry. I can't even tell what could cheer me up. Maybe a dead CFC titan.

*leaping in to defend his boss*

*inane rambling*

Here's a question: has anybody "de-whored" Gevlon's contributions?

I mean, it's only fair. Compare the amount of money Gevlon gives to an organization in a month with its overall budget, then "dewhore" the killboard results. It's only logical; apply the "dewhoring" algorithm to yourself as well as others.

But then he wouldn't be able to claim responsibility for all those kills he had no influence on. Curses.

But your so bothered as it is affecting you. (He can claim every kill ever made in the game as his own for all I care, as long as I can continue logging in and playing as I always have) You seem worried!

Well that will be more than Lucas will bring to Uedama.

Looks like Gevlon actually reached out and demanded posting support. Poor Tora, no amount of patience could make me tolerate those infamous Gevlongrams.

Never go to Jita or camp there and with regard to logistics I never use them when I mostly fly about alone.

Grr Goons/Grr Gevlon thread turns into Grr Marmite thread?

Christ Lucas, stop swinging at every troll mate.

It's ok, we don't like him either.

"Flinging poo and seeing what sticks" = science

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel good.
This whole threadnaught is an embarrassing mess.
Step back from it a little and you'll be able to see what I mean.

..... and it's 47 pages long.... so far......

It seems to me its the goonies that are having a meltdown. Someone posts on their blog bad things about the goons and they seem to take it too much to heart. I think its the charts and graphs that done it?

I mean the only goal in your EVE life is that one day He notices you and say "you served well, little creature". And he noticed me instead.

The only thing separates you from complete disaster is a dead CFC titan.

Oh look! An FCON titan is down!

Since Chribba is holding the cash and the terms are clearly defined.

Is this is what are you saying about Chribba? - 'And you wonder why people don't think you're trustworthy.'
Perhaps you own someone an apology.

Edit Just for your reference : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4631399#post4631399

Since when did stating the facts cause you so much upset. Chribba has the isk and the set of conditions under which it will be paid out. You, the rest of the goons and even Gevlon are removed from the equation with the only question is that do you trust Chrbba to pay the bounty out once those conditions are met.

You also seem to like making silly assumptions I guess. Even so I think the 'accuse Chribba of scamming' comes a bit out of nowhere, I guess you listen to you goons 'friends' to much.

PS I thought you were told to be quiet and sit in the corner by your 'friends', good to see you rebelling a just little bit.

Yes, trading is a bit more profitable than anything you can do within sov space (besides trading in VKF)

so how many titan pilots have been killed as a result of this thread

Yep. I'm laughing. Ex FCON corp. No surprise there. I swear, if CCP fixes things and makes it so that mega coalitions aren't needed anymore, we'll line up FCON, SMA and RZR and commissar them with one bullet.

So people who are fighting goons already. and will kill one of their titens anyway given the chance, just have to spam your message for 20 bill. I doubt your money will cause a kill.. It will only get your message typed 5 times on a titen kill that would have happened anyway.

That is a nice plan, but you are missing one thing

"The money will be given to the corp of the highest damage dealer."

Killling blow is not what matters.

Lucas Kell , care to tell us why your previous corp kicked you out ?

Uhu... Your old corp had 150 players and you new only 80. My guys inside tell me a totally different story. Ahh well, if you are to shamed to talk about it, I will be nice and not force you.

I just enjoy feeding trolololols

@Lucas : LIES !! Make me a graph first

Yes, but from what I've seen the other corps of GSF are also "invite only". So what are my chances as a complete noob to eve - without a Titan, a nice killboard, a name, or 1 billion ISK ( ) - to get into GSF if I wanted to?

The Goon speaks truth, google "Pap Link" / "Paplinks" and Goons result front page. Also, Pap links, what are they and how do I click more of them.

You do realize that they basically convinced you to enjoy filling out internet spaceship timesheets, right? Whoever has the most hours on his timesheet gets a plex and so forth. It's a pretty genius idea on the part of goon leadership though.

Personally, I wouldn't call filling out timesheets "winning at eve," but different strokes for different people, I guess.

Nope, never touched a timeclock in moa or any other corp/alliance I've been in, or clicked on any participation links.

They don't have space. Their key selling point for attracting new members is having no obligations in NPC null while being able to shoot Goons every day. I'm not sure why you have so much trouble understanding this, especially since you can check the recruitment forum just like everyone else.

Oh, I don't hate you guys. It might surprise you, but for much of moa you're just red brackets we shoot for content. Sure there are a few guys here and there that froth at the mouth at the mention of goons, but most of us are just chill dudes. In fact, on most issues when you guys aren't spitting out blatant propoganda, spin, or ~narrative~, I tend to agree with your dudes.

I see the source of your confusion. My statement was, "I don't hate you guys." And I don't. Neither do a lot of players in MoA, though obviously I can't speak for everyone.

But let's take a step back for a moment. Could you imagine how boring your game would be if no one ever attacked the cfc? Think about it. Sure you might be able to rat/mine/plex up enough for 3 titans and 2 supers per dude in peace. But with no one to shoot, what's the point? What would you do, have a race with your fifty thousand buddies to see who can shoot the most red crosses?

Also, since you appear to be one of the three people in eve to take SOTAs seriously, let's talk about SOTA's

To me, it seems like some dudes don't actually want to be there, they'd rather be doing something else (like farming). This perception is further reinforced when - in a number of engagements during the delve deployment - you guys stood down with your FC saying something to the effect of "hey, don't worry this one's on me, here's a pap link" (paraphrasing).

Again, to me, this language creates the impression that there's a bunch of dudes that would rather be farming than fighting, which in turn opens you up to the criticism that they're doing something they don't want in exchange for a "wage" or compensation in the form of a pap link.

Again, maybe that isn't the case, but from the CFC posts on reddit, that doesn't seem like 100% of the story. Of course you could say only test posts to reddit or some such nonsense (which I think someone in this thread already did), but I don't really think anyone buys that.

The serious business aspect of it covers URL's rather nicely, in point of fact. Running the IT infrastructure necessary to support your system is in and of itself ~serious business~. If you're telling me that creating, bug testing, and maintaining a system that tracks and verifies input from what 15k, 20k distinct users on a regular basis isn't serious business by video game guild standards, than we have a difference in our definitions.

In before "didn't count".

So, Goonies lost a purple titan and it didn't cost me a penny. The bounty is still out, waiting for a good awoxer, spy or just someone lucky.

In before the "I didn't want that Titan anyway"

Maybe you should use one of your titans to....

Oh.... Wait...

Poor guy. You'll never sit in one. Ever. How's that feel?

And THATS a mental image that nobody needs.

Thanks Lucas.

You're off my friends list now.

It's kinda funny given that those same people are the only reason anyone knows about gevlon goblin.

Personally, I would never have heard about him if the goons didn't keep talking about him month after month, year after year. It's kinda funny how they disparage and deride him, yet they are single handedly responsible for making him eve-famous.

He's my morning coffee equivalent of a funny comic to start the day well. Let's see what theories Gevlon Goblin can come up with today.

I did not know pirates couldn't form coalitions to work together. Cool beans. Although most of my compatriots don't particularly think of themselves as pirates, I'm willing to run with it.

A sustained effort, to target isk generation and renters in particular, will directly result in fewer resources available to produce cfc titans. This will not kill the cfc, but it will weaken them significantly for the next sov fights involving mass titans. As a bonus, killing afktars and renter boats is hella fun, and beats shooting structures any day of the week. Not that we don't do the latter, but the former occurs much more often.

That's all very well and good, but any publicity is good publicity, as the tired cliche goes. You've spent years giving him a soapbox to stand on. He now has it, built by the tireless cfc posters telling anyone that would listen of the hilarious posts made by this particular individual.

Interesting. And from whom, I wonder, will the followers of this particular goblin choose to rent?

I be thinking you're using that word wrong, matey. A non-independant pirate is called a privateer. Same general purview as a pirate, but privateers typically worked for nation-states and trading companies. Historically, pirates and pirate organizations were, to the best of my knowledge, always considered "independent." Sort of implied in the definition.

That's kind if my point about this entire thread though. Some random dude said some things that don't quite make sense, meh. Happens all the time in eve. I guess I just remember a time when there was a higher level of quality in C&P topics - the socratic files, for example. But w/e, to each their own.

Like all your previous plans that supposed to lead to the downfall of CFC, right? At least there's potential for some entertainment.

The only upset person seems to be poor Gevlon - he's crying in his latest blog post how people don't treat him seriously and eve forums should be closed because of it.